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American Bishops Thwart Pope Francis’ Attempt To Survey Catholic Public Opinion

by Jean Ann Esselink on December 3, 2013

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Last month, the Vatican sent out a questionnaire to Catholic bishops around the world. They wanted to know what modern Catholics think about issues like abortion, contraception, sex outside marriage, divorce, single-parent families, and same-sex marriage. The survey is in anticipation of the “Synod of Bishops” planned for October 2014 with the lofty theme: “The Pastoral Challenges of the Family in the Context of Evangelisation.”

A cover letter sent with the questionnaire from Archbishop Lorenzo Baldisseri, Secretary General of the Synod, asked for the bishops to distribute the questionnaire “as widely as possible” to ensure input from “local sources, to guide Vatican officials as they develop the agenda for the Synod”. Bishops in many countries, like the UK and Belgium, interpreted “as widely as possible” to mean rank and file Catholics should actually be able to read and respond to the Vatican’s survey, so in addition to distributing it to their parishioners at Sunday mass, they posted it on line.

American bishops went another way, and instead of asking regular people their opinions, most have decided they will answer it themselves.

“We have a very short window in which to gather data” San Antonio Archbishop Gustavo García-Siller told the San Antonio Express-News. (We could ) “never gather or collate that volume of data in such a short time. Plus, that’s not what Rome is expecting from the bishops.”

When asked to confirm that meant the surveys will not go to parishioners generally, a spokesman for the archbishop answered:

“Yes, that is correct. The archbishop will be distributing the Vatican’s questionnaire to the priests of the Presbyteral Council who represent the deaneries in the archdiocese, Pastoral Center Staff, the Archdiocesan Pastoral Council, a group gathered by the Office for Marriage, young adults, Catholic Charities, Family Life and Natural Family Planning, a group of parishes representing the diverse geographic and cultural communities in the archdiocese, and a number of settings & other consultative groups.”

A spokesman for the Diocese of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, said that it will be distributing the survey to all priests and deacons and that it may include those involved in parish marriage ministries. Said said Victoria Laskowski, the diocese’s director of marriage and family ministries, who may or may not be asked for her opinion:

“It will be a big job to read and compile all the surveys in the short time allotted, but I feel that it will be worth it to share this information about marriage in central Pennsylvania with the larger Church.”

The Catholic Register is trying to give the American Bishops some cover. In an article entitled “Vatican Collecting Diocesan Data, Not Lay Opinions” they claim it is a “misconception” Pope Francis is interested in the views of the laity.

“Each bishop determines what is the most useful and reasonable manner of consultation to assist him in preparing his report for the Vatican.” said Don Clemmer, who is assistant director of media relations of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

So, while “regular” Catholics in other parts of the globe are being solicited to contribute their opinions in advance of the Vatican’s Synod on social issues, American Catholics will not be asked for theirs.

The Vatican may have instructed the bishops to circulate the questionnaire as “widely as possible” but in America, the bishops have decided it is only possible to send the questionnaire to clergy and a few hand-picked lay leaders. Other countries have decided they have the ability to review feedback from the survey, and include it in their report to the Vatican, but American bishops just can’t find the time.

So if you are a gay U.S. Catholic, looks like you can rest easy, you will not be asked to give an opinion on same-sex marriage. Your bishop will let the Vatican know what it is that you think.

 

 

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Funbud61 December 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm

Um…I live in the Arch Diocese of Philadelphia and my pastor distributed the questionnaire to us. In fairness, I think it only went to parishioners who had an e-mail address registered with the parish. There was a link in the e-mail sending you to the questionnaire on the Diocese's website. You then could fill it out and submit it.

The questions appeared to be a bit re-phrased from the Vatican originals (perhaps to make them simpler?) but the whole thing read pretty much like what I understand the Vatican's questionnaire is.

Peter Blaise December 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm

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LINK, PLEASE!
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ascanius001 December 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm

They're trying to lie again. They don't like the fact that reputable polling consistently shows 60-65% of American Catholics support ssm. So, like the Regnerus fraud, they want to come up with a phony study and a skewed result showing much less support for gay rights among Catholics than actually exists. They hope then to make individual Catholics have more doubts about their support for ssm. We're going to be fighting these liars and cheaters who want to manipulate the perception of reality for a very long time to come.

AkitaProphecy December 4, 2013 at 10:20 pm

Wake up! If we want to dwell in sin – then we are free to do so! God grants us the free-will to live as WE choose, rather than in the Holy way that He urges us to do.All who seek to manipulate and debase the Gospel to match their chosen life style will perish in eternal Hell fire.

Don't try to ALTER Christ's Teachings o suit YOUR viewpoint – to do so is to try and inflict YOUR will upon God and even worse – you call Christ a sinner.

God says this. in Romans 1 (and many other places)

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. ( Romans 1)

If you don't like this type of viewpoint- then you must face that you are no longer a God-fearing/loving Catholic.

peterblaise December 5, 2013 at 2:10 am

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We disagree.

I'm right and you're wrong.

The practice of modern marriage is based on:

– love,

– mutual sexual attraction,

– equality, and

– a flexible division of labor.

Notice that the gender of the marriage partners has nothing to do with it.

Love, mutual sexual attraction, equality, and a flexible division of labor — same-same for all.

No one's redefining lust as "okay"; we're talking about love, respect, and building a family.

Can't argue with that.

In the Bible, Isaac and Jacob married cousins and Abraham married his half-sister

Jacob, David, Solomon, and others had dozens of wives.

Men could dissolve a marriage or take another wife if a woman was infertile.

Note that the EARLY Christian church argued that marriage was NOT contingent on producing offspring!

Monogamy only become central to Church marriage in the ninth century, oh my!

Until the 1500s, the Church accepted a couple's word that they had exchanged marriage vows, with no witnesses or corroborating evidence needed.

Marital rape was legal in many states until the 1970s.

Yuck!

Is that really what you want?
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AkitaProphecy December 5, 2013 at 10:23 pm

Part TWO

"Jacob, David, Solomon, and others had dozens of wives. "

xxxxxThe Old Testament/Old Covenant days are gone. ~With the coming of the Christian era, the state of “Matrimony” (again the Act of a woman becoming a Mother – MATER is Latin for Mother) was transformed and perfected to become a Sacrament. Sacraments (their are Seven in all) administer GRACE, if we strive to remain in a state of sinlessness, aided by regular Confession and absolution, sufficient grace is granted us through a Sacrament so that people participating in them can be mutually united intimately with Our Lord Jesus in a HOLIER union, and become sanctified through them. They are GREAT gifts! However, the sort of Union YOU are suggesting does not need a Marriage. It needs only two people to wish to commit an Act that has absolutely NOTHING whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ, Heaven or a Holy Sacrament. Be bestial if you wish, but do not offend Our Lord Jesus Christ by expecting HIM to partake in something stated so regularly as being so abhorrent to Him. Why hate him so much that you would seek to force Him to partake intimately in a Union that offends His Holiness and purity and will call down the wrath of the Father upon your heads? At the Apparitions of Garabandal,(see Youtube) in the 1960's Our Lord sent His Mother to inform us that we are living in the End Times when a colossal Battle between Good and Evil is being waged. Satan is being given excessive control over those who choose to serve HIM instead of Our Lord, and he is doing all that he can to destroy the Church and those who seek to serve Christ. Our Lord called us, through Garabandal (and many others) to repent and earnestly do penance or we will all perish! We are in the End times and the final Battle is being fought and it will get worse! xxxx
Men could dissolve a marriage or take another wife if a woman was infertile.

I am in agreement with you – the reason that the Sacrament of Marriage was redefined to be a Union between One Man and One Woman by the Church of Jesus Christ, was so that a woman would be protected. One reason that the Catholic Church does not normally permit Dissolution of the Marriage is because Christ is involved in the Marriage and you can not expect Christ to participate in immorality or Divorce.

Note that the EARLY Christian church argued that marriage was NOT contingent on producing offspring!

I doubt that very much indeed. It is a common criticism of the Catholic Church that they NEVER deviate from teachings that were laid down by the Apostles. Examine the writings of those that KNEW the Apostles. St Justin Martyr, St Polycarp, St Ignatius of Antioch. If anything, you will find that THEIR teachings are far more authoritative than you will hear from the Modern Church. The teachings are dogmatic and remain, because they were from Christ, yet you do not HEAR the Modern Priesthood speak of them. That does NOT mean that they are not eternal Truths that mankind must abide by as they were granted the world by it’s Supreme Creator whether we are in agreement with them or not, they are what will JUDGE us

AkitaProphecy December 5, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Part Three

Monogamy only become central to Church marriage in the ninth century, oh my!

Due to sinner’s not behaving well no doubt. If we served Christ half as well as we served Satan, wouldn’t this world be a WONDERFUL and beautiful place.

Until the 1500s, the Church accepted a couple's word that they had exchanged marriage vows, with no witnesses or corroborating evidence needed.

I don’t know what this has to do with two men getting married?

Marital rape was legal in many states until the 1970s.

Again this has absolutely NOTHING to do with two men getting married? To say that because a Man rapes a woman two men should be allowed to get married is frankly ludicrous!

Yuck!

Is that really what you want?

No! Again to draw the conclusions that I want Marital rape, Men to have numerous Marital Partners, etc… Just because Christ states categorically that Homosexuality is an inherrant evil, is ludicrous. I am a big sinner, I do not profess to be a Saint, but I KNOW that Christ’s laws must be adhered to or we will all perish. I honestly do not wish that to happen to me, you OR anybody else. This is a time of darkness, good is called evil, and evil good. The powers of darkness seek to remove Christ’s Kingdom from the Earth, if you assist them in doing so, you will be engulfed in darkness.
There is a global chastisement due to the world, as prophesised by many Saints under the Title “The 3 days of Darkness” Many stigmatics, Eucharistic Fasters (those who have been medically examined and proven to exist on ONLY the Holy Consecrated Eucharist) and Catholic Visionaries have prophecised it. Read about the Apparitions of Garabandal, The Message of LaSalette, the Prophecies in 1973 called “Our Lady of Akita” The prophecies of St Anna Maria Taigi, Blsd Anne Catherine Emmerich, St Padre Pio, St Elizabeth Cannon Mora.

If you want your faith improved to an even greater extent. Did you know that Scientific Analysis has proven that the Blood type of the Turin Shroud matches that of every known Eucharistic Miracle? It is AB. The FaceCloth (Sudarium) of Valencia Cathedral ALSO shares the same blood type.
Watch on YOUTUBE “Dr Ricardo Castanon PhD – Faith and Science” He was a former Atheist who converted after examining a Eucharistic Miracle.
May God Bless you Sir.

peterblaise December 5, 2013 at 11:26 pm

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My point is that marriage is whatever anyone said it was whenever they said it, different throughout time, so there's no reason for anyone to get stuck on one definition or another — let the marriage partners tell you what their marriage is to them, it's not our place, or anyone else's place, to tell them.

You keep throwing reason at us as if reason is your reason to have faith, but faith is what you have when you have no reason to have faith — if your faith is built on reason, then you have no faith.

The miracles of Jesus for me were that he didn't see people as broken, and he didn't see people's gender as important or determinant, that is, he saw women as equals (he also didn't waste time paying any attention to the so-called devil, and found such imaginings to be a total distraction that made people believe they were broken).

The current big hats in the Catholic church seem to be going out of their way to deny Jesus's example — they think preventing happy marriages and stable families and dis-empowering women is their goal in life — shame on them.
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ReligiousVsLegl December 8, 2013 at 9:32 pm

There is (and has been, for at least "a very long time") a distinction between legal, CIVIL marriage and a marriage consecrated by the Church.
The Church is free to apply its own rules for who is, and is not, entitled to recognition as a consecrated marriage.
Likewise, civil government is free to apply its own rules, which will vary from one civil (nation/state) to another, and will certainly NEVER match all churches' rules (since there are variations across denominations!)
Civil rights, including property rights, parenting responsibilities, etc., are determined by civil law. It would be nice if church and civil authorities were "in sync," but I would never seek to impose my Catholic-rooted beliefs on a non-Catholic couple. (And yes, I support the civil concept of marriage as a committed, loving relationship between two adults, regardless of gender. The essence of marriage is love, not sex. It is unfortunate that the Church hierarchy is so sex-obsessed that they refuse to see this. Perhaps the obsession stems from trying to live within the Church's disdain for women and married couples in positions of official Church responsibility.) All of which is tangential to whether the Pope wants to understand the thoughts of Catholics as a whole, or Catholic officialdom… both faith and logic tell me those do not completely coincide.

jchastn December 8, 2013 at 11:20 pm

Look at all the scientific "proof" you seem to need for your faith. How ridiculous you are.

jchastn December 8, 2013 at 10:39 pm

The letters of Paul should never have been added to the Bible. He was not an apostle, and his teachings are frequently in disagreement with the words of our lord.

jjpca December 9, 2013 at 12:08 pm

Loving??????? It's your kind of hate mongering that has driven people away from the church. As for altering "Christ's teaching", all he said was Love each other as you love yourselves. God says nothing in Romans. It's Paul, that sexist bigot who turned a message of hope and love into a massage of hate. You can take your version of the bible and shove it.

LOrion December 3, 2013 at 2:32 pm

YES YES ! I made it… came to blog from my Wordpress page and it recognized me… today. We’ll see about tomorrow… anyway….
SHARING THIS EVERYWHERE. Wake UP LGBT ACTIVIST And Demand the Vatican Put this ONLINE For US..which they can do (See Vatican SocialMedia/Tech Community on Google).

DonInKS December 3, 2013 at 4:01 pm

not that I am the least bit surprised by the American bishops. they are all JPII or Benedict's men and will follow the party line given by those two ponitiffs. they will resist any changes proposed by this pope and do everything in their power to preserve the status quo. personally, I think all American Catholic should acquire a copy of this survey and mail it directly to either Apostolic Delegate in Washington, DC or even directly to the Vatican. let your voice be heard!

scottsvillematt December 3, 2013 at 4:10 pm

Pope Francis has to get tough.
The US bishops are treating him the same way the republican congress has treated President Obama: as if he were never elected.

jchastn December 8, 2013 at 10:59 pm

He should fire about half of the American Bishops. Many are enablers and helpers of pedophiles. Many go out of their way to support the politics of those who hate the poor, and hate non-whites, and hate LGBT. The Bishops go out of their way to preach hate, and live sinful lives that are not in agreement with Christ's teachings.

kittymaxwellroberts December 3, 2013 at 5:56 pm

I completed mine in UK for the November 30th deadline. The Irish deadline in December 15th. Fill it in, print it out and send it to your Bishop http://www.associationofcatholicpriests.ie/2013/1

If you want to read what I put, I am adding it to my blog as so many people seemed interested in the natural sexual law of our primate cousins: lesbian macaques and pederastic Orang–utans, and the natural lactation birth spacing method. They are all in my response at http://kittymaxwellroberts.wordpress.com

MARTinNJ212 December 3, 2013 at 6:33 pm

Translation: CATHOLIC BISHOPS TO THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC LAITY: DROP DEAD!!

AkitaProphecy December 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm

"As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by my Son. Each day, recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, and bishops against other bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their Confreres. The Church and altars will be vandalized. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord.
"The demon will rage especially against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will no longer be pardon for them."

Message/Prophecy of Our Lady at Akita on 13th October 1973. (accepted by the Catholic Church – many miracles occured at the Convent and scientific analysis proved authenticity)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgloRTlzl3k

jchastn December 8, 2013 at 11:00 pm

You are a true blasphemer.

jjpca December 9, 2013 at 12:11 pm

You are a freak. Go back to the Dark Ages where you belong.

AkitaProphecy December 4, 2013 at 10:39 pm

Marie-Julie Jahenny (June 1881). Stigmatic, Victim soul, accepted by many Bishops and Clergy, visited by Pope Pius XII She lived for many years on JUST ONE CONSECRATED HOST a day. She spent 45 days undergoing medical examination to ascertain that she WAS not eating/drinking anything other than the Consecrated Host.

HER PROPHECIES for the Faithful of the TRUE, authentic Church of Jesus Christ.

"In their [priests] aberration, they will break their oaths. The Book of Life contains a list of names that ‘rends the heart.’
"Because of the little respect it has for the apostles of God, the flock grows careless and ceases to observe the laws. The priest himself is responsible for the lack of respect because he does not respect enough his holy ministry, and the place which he occupies in his sacred functions. The flock follows in the footsteps of its pastors; this is a great tragedy.
"The clergy will be severely punished on account of their inconceivable fickleness and great cowardice which is incompatible with their functions.
"A terrible chastisement has been provided for those who ascend every morning the steps of the Holy Sacrifice. I have not come on your altars to be tortured. I suffer a hundredfold more from such hearts than any of the others. I absolve you from your great sins, My children, but I cannot grant any pardon to these priests."

Marie-Julies's prophecies concerning the new liturgy:
On November 27, 1902 (Ed. note: The seventy-second anniversary of the Miraculous Medal Apparition [November 27, 1830]) and on May 10, 1904, Our Lord warned of the new liturgy which would one day be instituted:
"I give you a warning. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas, and under the influence of the enemy of souls, a Mass that contains words which are odious in My Sight. When the fatal hour arrives where the faith of my priest is put to the test, it will be these texts that will be celebrated, in this second period."

"The first period is the one of My Priesthood, existing since Me. The second is the one of the persecution, when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion will impose their formulas in the book of the second celebration. Many of My holy priests will refuse this book, sealed with the words of the abyss. Unfortunately, amongst them are those who will accept it."
On May 10, 1904, Our Lady describes the new clergy and its liturgy:
"They will not stop on this hateful and sacrilegious road. They will go further to compromise all at once, and in one blow, the Holy Church, the clergy, and the Faith of my children."
She announces the "dispersion of the pastors" by the Church herself; true pastors, who will be replaced by others formed by Hell: "…new preachers of new sacraments, new temples, new baptisms, new confraternities."
http://www.communityofhopeinc.org/Prayer%20Pages/

dvelco December 8, 2013 at 9:25 pm

Akita:

Akita
Use Akita in a sentence
A·ki·ta
[uh-kee-tuh] Show IPA
noun
1.
a seaport on N Honshu, in N Japan, on the Sea of Japan.
2.
( sometimes lowercase ) one of a Japanese breed of large, muscular dogs having a broad head with erect ears, a stiff coat of brown, red, black, or brindle color, and a long tail curled over its back, originally bred for hunting, now often used as a guard dog.

So.. which are you? A sea port or a dog?

OH MY… You are one of those Prophetic believers… well I have personal history with such people like that and there's nothing you can say or do.. they think their every thought is directly from "God" and to question anything they say or do is as if you are questioning God Herself. DELUSIONAL SELF RIGHTEOUS loads of crap.

Your statement "As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity."
How about this… since Gluttony is one of God's Deadliest sins… and US Americans are literally growing over 49% obese… and Diabetes is one of the US's top killers… God is taking wrath on America due to it's Gluttony of it's Super Sized Drive Through "Meals".
Think of that the next time you pull up to a fast food service window and get on a scale. I have a 49% chance about being right that you are over weight and thus no in line yourself with God's word.

jchastn December 8, 2013 at 11:04 pm

Where was your precious prophet Marie when the clergy was raping children all over the nation? Only now that the laity has lost respect for the sinful, hateful clergy does your precious prophet speak up?? And who determines the genuineness of the prophecy? Oh, the CLERGY, of course. Grow up, AkitaPhreak.

favsal209 December 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm

I live in California and our Bishop distributed the questionnaire to the whole diocese via online and I am gay as well so the Vatican will get my opinion as well.

peterblaise December 8, 2013 at 9:47 pm

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LINK PLEASE!
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dvelco December 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm

Seems the Vatican and the American Bishops have never heard of SurveyMoney. (https://www.surveymonkey.com/)
It would make their survey collecting so much easier. But that's maybe assuming too much modern technology for the Vatican to coup with. After all, they seem to like remaining decades if not centuries behind the times.

dvelco December 8, 2013 at 9:36 pm

Hey Akita Dog… one of the most famous Prophecy tellers was Nostradamus.. and the "Church" called him a SATANIST.
What makes you or your Prophecy person any different?

jchastn December 8, 2013 at 10:54 pm

Many "consecrated marriages" do not agree with all of the churches requirements for marriage. The Church doesn't ask the pointed, personal questions that must be asked to determine if the couple is "fit" for marriage.

peterblaise December 9, 2013 at 1:36 am

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Yep, faith is what you have when you have no reason to have faith — if you depend on reason, then you have no faith!
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