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Boy, 4, Shot To Death For Being Gay Because He Slapped A Boy’s Behind

by David Badash on July 31, 2011

in News,Religion

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A four-year old boy was shot to death by his common-law father, a religious leader who thought the boy was gay, because he had slapped another boy’s behind. As The New Civil Rights Movement reported earlier this month, four-year old Jadon Higganbothan was murdered by Peter Lucas Moses, 27, who also shot to death a 28-​year old woman, Antoinetta Yvonne McKoy, police and prosecutors say.

Now that prosecutors have revealed Moses’s motivation for thinking four-year old Jardon was gay, we also learned on Friday they asked for the death penalty in this tragic North Carolina case. Moses now faces two counts of first-degree murder.

Moses, whom police had stopped short of calling a cult leader, is believed to have belonged to a religious group known as the Black Hebrew Israelites.

He lived in a one-​room home with nine children and three women, who all called him “lord.” One of the women reportedly turned into a police informant, which is how police and prosecutors have so much detailed information.

The 28-​year old woman whom Moses killed, Antoinetta Yvonne McKoy, had been beaten and strangled with an extension cord by the other women before Moses murdered her. The day he did, she had escaped to a neighbor’s house and begged her to use her cell phone. The neighbor did not call police because she claims she thought the woman might be mentally disturbed. She witnessed Moses dragging her into the house, and still never called police.

“Sometime in October 2010, prosecutors told the judge, one of the women told the defendant that Jadon had hit another child’s bottom, and Moses retaliated because he thought the boy might be homosexual – partially because the child’s father had left his mother,” the News-Observer, a local Durham County paper reported, adding, “Investigators discovered the remains in June, months after their investigation began as a missing person case.”

“Homosexuality, [District Attorney] Cline contended, is frowned upon by the Black Hebrews, so the defendant asked the boy’s mother to get rid of him.

“Moses then ordered two of the other women to set up computers and speakers in the garage, prosecutors contend, then the defendant took the boy into the garage, where music and the Lord’s Prayer in Hebrew blared, and a gunshot sounded. One of the women told investigators the boy was shot in the head.

“Some of the women cleaned up his bloodied body, prosecutors said, then put it in a suitcase in the master bedroom until Moses complained about the smell.”

And indeed, Jadon had been reported missing months ago. Via the website Help Find The Missing, we found this February Colorado missing person report for a woman believed to be Jadon’s mother, named, Vania Rae Sisk, which also lists Jadon as missing, but age six.

A reader of The New Civil Rights Movement, in the comments section of our previous report on this story, wrote, “I live in the same town, though not in the same neighborhood, and I didn’t know them. But this town has a lot of violence and gang activity. I know people that see things happen and won’t report….they are terrified of retaliation if anyone finds out it was them that reported something….and they have every right to be terrified, because they WOULD be retaliated against.”

“The Hebrew Israelite movement is a group of militant black supremacists as reported by the Southern Poverty Law Center,” writes Jonathan Turley, noted CNN contributor and law professor. “The Hebrew Israelites call for death for Jews and gay men and lesbians, and celebrate the Christmas holiday by “lynching” effigies of the Virgin Mary and Santa Claus.”

Thanks so much to Dave Evans of  for this important clip. And thanks to CNN for covering this story too. Sadly, the rest of the MSM has ignored it. Why?…

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{ 69 comments }

StanleyJames July 31, 2011 at 4:41 pm

REligion is the curse of humanity. N ote the kid was black, presumably the father was also.

Look at history – the early Jewss and Leviticus, (ps I am aetheist though my parents were 1st gen american jewish.

The christian crusades against the Muslims – upwards of 40 million murdered,
The anything but Holy inqusition – 100000 burned alive, tortured etc for daring to challenge the vaticaN

The dark ages of the catholic church and European kings conspiring to give the world zero social progress and same re economics in a frozen in time lord and serf society

Even nutty things like changing my kids Handness in about 1980- left handness was the mark of the devil

hatred of Jews all over Europe tks to the vatican and their christ killer and blood libel statemetns. It formed the underpinnings of Hitlers election and the death of 55 million, including half of world Jewry . And the worst murderer in history has yet to be EXcommed by his church into which he was baptised in 1888 in Austria.

WWII – the japanese followed their Demigod Hirohito to nuclear ruin.

The mess in the mideast.

Iran hanging gay kids.

Lets dump all religions. One statement survives – do unto others etc, and love thy neighbor as thyself.

The rest is fluff at best, adn murderous at worst.

And if there is a heaven and a god, I'm sure the good people will get there without pray ing blah blah

And the nutcase who did this – death. Send him to his god.

spiritofthe20s May 2, 2012 at 7:50 pm

Why don't you do us all a big fave and go fuck yourself, you lunatic.

bleachback May 2, 2012 at 11:28 pm

look at you such an angry little man oh and your twitter HHAHAHAHA really! @SpiritOfThe20s
Farrakhan’s Wild New Claims: Jesus Was a Black Muslim & Elijah Would Be the ‘N***er at the Door’ (Plus the Bible Was Wrong About Cain!)

HUNYBEE3 May 3, 2012 at 10:53 am

WELL THERES AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE!!

rlrose328 May 3, 2012 at 12:09 pm

You are so correct! Organized religion is a menace that should be eliminated. Believers don't realize that leaders use it to manipulate and use them. Look at how wealthy the televangelists are, how men like this killer hold women and children hostage by preying upon their faith. That is the only reason religion is so big today is because civilization leaders from before Jesus' time used a belief in god to manipulate their people… they, themselves, didn't believe but knew the threat of damnation would keep people in line. And nothing has changed. It's sad, really.

berzerkerdx May 4, 2012 at 1:02 am

While religion does seem to be used to control and make it easier to be willfully ignorant, there are a couple of problems with using a blanket statement like all religious people are bad. One is that if any number of religious people being bad by default makes all religious people bad, then the same must be said for all non-religious people. Your syntax created this stipulation. It’s true that if more religious people commit crime than atheists, then they are a bigger threat. But another problem is that intent is impossible to prove. First you have to get statistics on the number of crimes committed by each category, and then you have to determine whether the crime was carried out because of a religious belief. And of course you’ll never know weather the person was following their religion or using it as a scapegoat. This rule isn’t isolated to religion either. When someone commits a crime in the name of religion we assume that they had “been poisoned by religion.” But if they do it and then say it was because of a movie, we say they’re “disturbed” and look for any justification to make our beloved hobby unadulterated again. This hypocritical nature is usually reserved for religious zealots. Finally, you can’t prove to me that your will to do good isn’t a product of selfish or misguided reasons. Maybe you do good to impress people or because popular culture says you’re supposed to. Or maybe you really are a do-gooder strictly to benefit society. You also can’t prove that religious people wouldn’t do good if they didn’t follow a religious doctrine. If you can prove to me that religious people engage in more evil or good acts per capita then nonreligious, please do. Until then, a more accurate statement would be that stupid is not restricted to any one demographic.

rlrose328 May 4, 2012 at 11:20 am

I don't believe I said that all religous people are bad. RELIGION is bad… it leads people to do things they probably would rethink if they weren't so brainwashed. And there are plenty of bad non-religious people as well, but it's not because they are non-religious… it's because they are just not good people.

That's the problem with blanket statements, which is what you're saying, I believe. And I would agree with you. But before you go getting all long-winded, pay attention to what people are saying… RELIGION, and the corrupt leaders who manipulate people, is the menace, not the individuals who fall under its sway.

transgriot May 3, 2012 at 4:35 pm

Organized religion isn't the problem. It's the fundamentalist 'my way or your going to hell' extremist strains of it that is the problem.

To give a knee jerk blanket condemnation of religion is to disrespect the work of the Rev Dr Martin Luther King Jr, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa and countless other men and women of good will and various faith who were motivated by the positive tenets and commandments of their respective faith to do good for humanity and advance human rights..

bleachback May 3, 2012 at 5:23 pm

Listen transgriot I don't care what you say or what person you sight as being so wonderful by their horrid belief. No one needs a religious belief to do good for other people or for humanity. Religion is poison. it teaches hatred and ignorance. Just look at what this "Pastor" did to this child and the people around him. Also the Catholic Church and their protection of the Nazis. The Church has over 500 years of Murder under their belt. Nothing good comes out of believing in crap that isn't there NOTHING! Religion should be treated with ridicule, and hatred, and contempt! Every day. & you are wrong it does NOT disrespect the work of any of those you have pointed out. Oh and "Mother Teresa" it's a simple matter of record that Mother Teresa was a fanatic, and a fundamentalist, And a fraud. I think probably the most successful trickster of the last century, and
Responsible for innumerable deaths, and untold suffering and proud of it." Learn your facts before you post BS!

rlrose328 May 3, 2012 at 6:26 pm

Don't you see what you're saying? They were motivated by their faith to do good. I'm motivated by the protection of my species and desire to see it continue… I don't need any ancient texts to motivate me to do what's right.

I do not disrespect anyone for any positive things they've done for the world. IT's a shame that they needed faith to do good.

Mykelbarber May 3, 2012 at 9:21 pm

Religion is a cancer on the world. Thank goodness it is waning in America.

peeonthehaters May 3, 2012 at 9:53 pm

Fool, where do you get your information, from Starbucks??? Religion continues to grow faster in America than you care to admit.. .www.worldchristianencyclopedia.com

Mykelbarber May 3, 2012 at 9:26 pm

All religion makes people stupid. When you abrogate your duty to your own mind, you have given it to someone else. Also, it is a scientific fact that fundamentalists brains atrophy because of their belief system .www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=religious-experiences-shrink-part-of-brain “Attempting to debate with a person who has abandoned reason is like giving medicine to the dead.”
― Thomas Paine

Nanoke May 3, 2012 at 9:16 pm

The problem is not religion, as you put it. The problem is ORGANIZED religion.

Organizing a religion takes the privacy out of it. A religion is meant to be one's personal relationship with their own spirituality in whatever form it may take.

You see, religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one, and it's fine to be proud of it, but don't wave it around in public, and certainly don't try and force it down someone else's throat.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what happens when religion becomes "organized". It falls under the thumb of a leader who will wave it around like a weapon, and shove it down people's throats. A human leader. Humans are heir to the corruption that comes of power. So to give a human that kind of power over others, by making him or her the leader of an organized religion is simply inviting disaster.

bleachback May 5, 2012 at 11:13 am

hahahah I was kidding about doing a search and i am English so we tend to spell words like "colour" differently. & I type 80 words a minute & i make mistakes. I am unable to find the actual post in these threads, and only in the emails I can read what you actually say.

To use something like say Stalin as an example and "look at him he was a none believer and he murdered all those people" Because they didn't do that for a god or gods. this is what is called a "red herring fallacy" look it up I can't sit here and be a teacher to you and the actual students I really teach. The Issue here is religion.

And no one was even talking about atheist. and encase you didn't know if you don't believe in the god of zeus or any other gods other than what ever you believe in then, you are an atheist to those. Everyone is born an atheist, and everyone is an atheist unless you believe in all gods.

Now I have stated facts and nothing more to the subject at hand, and all you have done is either quote the bible (which means nothing) or change the subject to people who do horrendous acts in the name of nothing other than to win a war over another class. your arguments are very typical of people of your kind, when you're backed into a corner & you know you're wrong.

here is something of an exercise if you will:
Name one moral action performed by a believer that could not have been done by a nonbeliever. Now, can you name a hideous moral act undertaken because of their faith? You've already thought of one. Now you've thought of another one. You'll keep on thinking of them.

Nanoke May 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm

No.

No again.

And for the final time, no.

For one, you're not joking because you seemed pretty damn sure I was black. You are that much of a creep, and now that I've called you on it, you're backing down with a "Haha, jk guys" sort of thing. I know British English quite well. British English does NOT explain why you're a poor writer. And congrats. You type 80 words, but you make so many typing mistakes, your adjusted speed would be much, much lower. If I abandoned capitalization like you did and didn't proofread, I'd be about 100 words a minute. But that doesn't matter. You're getting defensive over the small things, which means I've got you on the rope. Deny it if you will. I don't care, because I KNOW I'm right.

I have quoted the bible, ONCE. Had I found proper translations of the other texts, I would have quoted those too. Your big problem is that you have a stick up your ass for Christians. Shut up about what this is or isn't about, because being frank with you, you haven't a clue what you're talking about anymore, so instead you've fallen to running your mouth about Christians several times in the course of this argument.

As for using Stalin as an example… He's a completely legit one. He killed people he deemed were enemies of the state. And he SPECIFICALLY deemed THEISTS as enemies of the state. BECAUSE THEY WERE THEISTS. You can't just make that go away, wish it off as a red herring, because it's not. If you read any damn thing is this post, make it this one paragraph, kay?

And dear god, if you're a teacher, the human race is doomed, because you are so damned bigoted… Probably just as much as the right-wing groups you seem to despise.

As for your defiinition of Atheist, god are you stupid. You just lost your WHOLE grounds for argument on the basis of a logical fallacy. Theists are defined in their belief in a god or goddess. Not by their beliefs in specific gods and goddesses. In the same vain, athiests believe that there is NO deity. Not that they don't believe in specific ones.

And atheism came up as a personal reference because you deemed that because atrocities were committed by people who had religion, religion was evil and needed to be gotten rid of. I was merely pointing out that atrocities were committed by atheists as well, so should atheists be gotten rid of as a whole? No. What's right for one group should be right for another, yeah? So by the logic you presented, not only should religions cease to exist because the give the chance do bad things, but so should being atheist cease to exist, because that has created a chance to do bad things as well.

As for your little exercise, that's a very biased way of putting things. When you request that of someone you need to so in a way that isn't so painted towards your view. You need to address both groups in that second question to. Now, can you name a hideous moral act undertaken because of a person's faith or lack their of? I can find both.

But ultimately my point stands. Religion doesn't call for murder. It doesn't create it. Stupid people do. Religion itself isn't a concrete object, so it can't DO anything. It's an idea. It's up to the people how they use it. So your qualms aren't with religion, which can't force anyone to do anything, but is instead with SOME of the people involved in them. You judging religions and ideas by a few of the people involved in them would be in the same vain as me saying that because some people who did amoral things were Atheist, all atheists are bad. It's not true.

The point of all of this is one thing. You're wrong. Getting rid of religion will NOT make everything better. In order to make everything better, we'd have to get rid of EVERYTHING. Because people will always find a reason to be sick bastards. And even then it wouldn't be better. It would be NOTHING. So before you run your mouth, find a solution that actually works.

MAINEiac4434 July 31, 2011 at 10:44 pm

What the fuck is wrong with humanity. This is so depressing.

Hazel8 December 1, 2011 at 12:00 pm

Its RELIGION, man.

spiritofthe20s May 2, 2012 at 7:50 pm

It is NOT religion, you moronic asshole

unndunn May 3, 2012 at 10:17 am

"No true scotsman" for the win!

Except not.

peeonthehaters May 3, 2012 at 9:45 pm

Don't waste your breath with those goddamned hypocrites, man…They're already lost

bleachback May 2, 2012 at 11:25 pm

You are right!

rlrose328 May 3, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Yuppers… in a nutshell, yes.

bleachback May 2, 2012 at 4:50 am

religion poisons everything!

spiritofthe20s May 2, 2012 at 7:51 pm

your posts poison everything ya big chooch. Get lost.

bleachback May 2, 2012 at 11:24 pm

Listen Sperm Bath! and list really good because you just might learn something or maybe you wont because sometimes Talking to people like you is like trying to teach a 3 year old how to rebuild a transmission over the phone, when all that 3 year old will do is picks its nose and eat crayons.

Religion Kills this man a "pastor" Murdered his step child (A 4 YEAR OLD) I don't know how much clearer than that any news story can GET lol wow the Utter stupidity you display is astounding! Yeah Religion Poisons Everything!

I think it should be, Religion treated with ridicule, and hatred, and contempt!
And I claim that right.
~Christopher Hitchens~

Nanoke May 3, 2012 at 9:28 pm

Mature. Really.

No, religion doesn't kill. People use religion as a reason to kill, but religion doesn't kill. There are plenty of religions people who do not murder. In fact, they simply balk at the notion of taking the life of another.

I hate to say it, but people choose their religions either because they are raised into it, marry into it, or because it suits their own personal ideologies close enough, so that they can find like minded people.

The man who murdered the 4 year old? He would have been a homophobe whether he was religious or not. He simply took a "religion" (note that I use that term very lightly) and twisted it into a justification for murder. Lots of religions frown upon homosexuality, but that doesn't mean that everyone in them goes out and murders homosexuals. A few extremists does not represent a whole religion.

Funny story, there are many, many Christians who either support homosexuality or ARE homosexual. Does being Christian make them homophobic murders? No? Then perhaps you may want to watch your overt generalizations there, yeah?

And this is coming for a girl who ISN'T religious. So please, don't try and say I think how I do because I'm a christian or whatever. I'm not.

bleachback May 3, 2012 at 11:02 pm

yes religion teaches hatred and in return people die. and stop apologizing for religions it make you look like you are religious and true Christians will not support homosexuality, there are people who are called the Salad bar religious people, who pick and choose. Well they don't get to pick and choose. Just by saying you believe in god or gods and are actively involved in religion is making it ok for the fudies to do the horror that they do. I'm really busy ATM and trying to explain all this in detail is futile to most of you. it's like talking to children. And who knows what this man would have been "homophobe" or not no one can ever say that for sure. what we do know is his whole perception of life in general was horribly skewed by religion, ( of backwards, anti-scientific thought and outdated morality based on Fictitious characters from the Iron Age.) And let me remind you and everyone here that it is a FACT that most people who are against homosexuality & women's rights are from a strong religious background. please do some research and don't get your views from TV like FOX News because from reading your post you sound so eclectic, I can tell you watch all the stuff CNN, FOX, what's that other righ-wing fascist crap with Nancy horrendous bitchface is on? again the facts are this MAN is a Pastor and he murdered his 4 year old step son! Nuff said!

Nanoke May 4, 2012 at 8:17 am

Tsk, tsk. There you go, making blanket statements again. But, I'm a nice person, so I'll break this down so you can keep up with me.

Point 1: Religion teaches hatred.
Rebuttal: No, no it doesn't. It teaches love. 1 John 4:20 of the Judeo-Christian bible says, and I quote "If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen." Buddhism lists hate as one of the three poisons that leads to evil, along with avarice and ingnorance. The Vedic Dharma of Agniveer sets the elimination of feelings of hatred as one of the mandatory life goals to be completed in the Hindu faith. The goal of the Muslim faith is to live a life like that of the 25 Prophets they believe in, who did not hate. Religions do NOT teach hate. People merely use religion to justify hate.

2. You told me not to apologize for religions.
Rebuttal: Again, no. At no point did I apologize for religions. No apology was ever issued, and that you assume your being butthurt with religion warrants an apology from anyone is laughable at best, arrogant at it's worst. On the same note I'm not defending the veracity of religions. I'm defending peoples' rights to practice those religions, just as I would stand and defend your right to abstain from practicing a religion. Because this is supposed to be a land of freedom. But there's a difference between abstaining and being a militant atheist jackass. You're proving to be the latter. But if you'd like to prove me wrong in that matter, by all means. I'm waiting.

3. TRUE Christians will not support homosexuality.
Rebuttal: They may not support the act, but some sure as hell do support the people who are homosexual. Why? Remember that quote in point one about hate? One who hates their brother (even their LGBT brother) cannot say that they love God. Not to mention that Christianity is based off of the teachings of Jesus Christ, who was part of the New Testament. He had little if any bearings in the old testament. The laws given to Christians to abide by are in the New Testament. The thing about anti-homosexuality? That's in the Old Testament, which is antiquated at best, and really serves as more of a history and geneology than anything else. Jesus never even spoke of Homosexuality, and there's only three mentions of it in the whole New Testament, which leaves it as really a very minor thing. So you point is rendered invalid.

4. "Just by saying you believe in god or gods and are actively involved in religion is making it ok for the fudies to do the horror that they do."
Rebuttal: So by that logic, does that mean that if I eat meat with no negative intent, that gives some sick fuck out there license to abuse and kill animals? That is absolutely absurd. No one makes it okay for extremists to do what they do. Once again, you're connecting things that have no business every being connected. A peaceful worshiper whom chooses to gather with those like themselves, and praise some higher power is as bad as the extremist fuck-nut who goes out blowing the hell out of people in the name of a god? Hardly. So if there were some bat-shit crazy athiest that went on a killing spree (Jeffrey Dahmer or Stalin, anyone?) does that mean that all the sensible, non-hateful atheists out there make it okay for a few atheists who are deranged to do bad things? No… I don't think so. Because by that logic, neither being theist nor atheist is okay, so I guess humans continuing to exist isn't okay. That doesn't sound quite right, now does it?

Point 5: Explaining your point is futile because it's like talking to children.
Rebuttal: Either you are just truly too damned arrogant and think you stand superior to everyone else or you're realizing you're wrong and pulling back now in the form of conveniently finding a reason not to explain.

Nanoke May 4, 2012 at 8:19 am

Point 6: No one can say for sure whether he would have been a homophobe were he not religious.
Rebuttal: In the same vain, no one can say he would not have been. So that entire contention therefore needs to be dropped from the argument, as there is no evidence for or against it, and therefore, neither you or I could possibly be right. For you see, just as there are homophobic theists, there are also homophobic atheists. So he could have or he could not have turned out to be a homophobe. Thus point 6 and the point to which it countered are dropped from the discussion.

Point 7: His perceptions were skewed by religion.
Rebuttal: While his perceptions might have been skewed by a religion (I'm not debating that) you can't blame religion as a whole, and cast that all religion is evil because of one instance. Because in this instance, as far as I can tell from research of the Black Hebrew Israelites, it was he that skewed the religion to fit his will. Members of this group at their most extreme practice strict Judaism, but Judaism doesn't abide murder (aka, the unlawful killing of an innocent (as this child was). So in this instance, it was that he had twisted his religion into something depraved so as to suit his purpose. People kill people. Not religions. I would be quite interested to hear about it if you happen across a true tale of someone being viciously murdered by a Torah or other holy text without the convoluted works of a human behind it.

Point 8. Most people who are against homosexuality and women's rights are from religious backgrounds.
Rebuttal: Oh sweet- Never mind… Can I see some facts to back that up? Because if you think about it, Atheists, who accept the idea of evolution, wouldn't have much use for homosexuality either, as it provides no biological advantage for procreation. Or are you a salad bar Evolutionist now? As for women's rights… Where the hell did that come from? But regardless, you're wrong in that aspect as well, and I'll tell you why. Up until the last couple of centuries, regardless of what a person believed, it was still believed that women had no rights, so you can take your cries of "religious woman haters" and stuff them, because they have no historical bearings whatsoever. Now who was it that you said needed to get there facts straight and do some research? You'd do well to take your own advice… Also, as a disclaimer, not a single bit of info provided in this little spiel was from "TV like FOX" as you so chose to put it.

Point 9. You can tell that that I watch Fox, CNN, and other right wing "crap" from how I speak.
Rebuttal: And now is where I get a little bit belligerent. You poor, stupid, uninformed, misguided, sad excuse for a human being. You're making assumptions again, with no proof whatsoever to back it up. I actually very rarely watch TV, and the only think I watch on Fox is House M.D. I get my information from reading. Ya know? Literacy? That thing that you have a very poor grasp on (if your post quality is any indicator). I read news papers. All sorts. Articles from both left and right wing sources. I research. I do my homework. I decipher fact from the propagated bullshit you seem ever so fond of. I'm not right wing. I'm not left wing. I'm a moderate. Since you probably don't know what that means, I'll dumb it down for your tiny, Radically damaged (Hehe, I made a political funny, but it might be too highbrow for you) brain. Moderate means I take what makes sense from each ideology, and use it to try and make this world a better place. You seem so dead set that right wing politics are evil, but guess what left wing politics are just the other face of the same coin. Being a reactionary liberal is just as bad as being a radical conservative. Both are obsolete. Consider them the black and white in a world that is filled with gray spots. These ideologies have no place in modern society.

Point 10: The man is a pastor and a murder, nuff said.
Rebuttal: No, it's not 'nuff said'. Remember how I mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer and Stalin a while back? They were both depraved sons of bitches… And they were both atheists. They both even used their atheism to justify their actions. Stalin murdered anyone he deemed as enemies of the state. That included Theists. He murdered people because they were NOT ATHEIST. Dahmer murdered 15 people, and was serving a cumulative 900 years in prison for his deeds. He justied it with this quote: “If a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?" Sooo yeah. They were Atheists? Does that mean that Atheism is evil? Nope.

Nanoke May 4, 2012 at 8:19 am

All in all, I think I've quite thoroughly destroyed every ARGUABLE contention you brought forth. You're wrong, and I proved it. Congrats. You just got bested by a 21 year old girl running off of a cumulative 3 hours of sleep in the last two days. At my worst, I still totally trounced your argument. I know you likely won't read all of this, but that's fine. It's just the internet, after all, and I only debate because it's fun.

Regardless, it's been fun. Toodles.

bleachback May 4, 2012 at 3:46 pm

here is another Pastor who uses his religion to beat his own son up in church for being gay WOW! search this on youtube (Pastor Beats Up Own Gay Son in Church) http://youtu.be/nwUTjidH0p0
there are hundreds of cases of religion being horrid on youtube pffft

Nanoke May 4, 2012 at 9:03 pm

I haven't made up my own facts. At all. In fact, I did extensive research. And congrats. You found some religious murderers. Guess what. There are plenty of Atheist murderers too.

Joseph Stalin: Under Stalin's regime 20 million people were killed as a minimum estimate, with other estimates ranging much, much higher. He killed anyone he considered an enemy of the state. INCLUDING THEISTS.

Jeffrey Dahmer: He killed 17 men and boys (yes, minors), often raping them, and then cannibalizing them. At one point he made the quote "If a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?” Essentially he was justifying his murders because of his lack of beliefs.

Mao Zedong: Under his rule 40 to 70 million people died. He was Atheist.

Pol Pot: Under his rule it's estimated anywhere from 1 to 2 million people died, with some estimates going 3 million. He was Atheist too.

Now tell me. Because these five alone have somewhere in the area of 100 million deaths under their belt, and they just so happen to be Atheist, does that mean that all Atheists are fucked up murderers? No? Then the same goes for any religion.

If you're going to say that whole religious groups should cease to exist because of the actions of a few of the people involved, then I'm going to say that in all fairness, Atheist groups should cease to exist to. And since the state of human being is that you either believe or you don't, everyone should cease to exist by your logic.

Also, I noticed that you only used quotes from the Christian bible. Too lazy to use the Torah? The Quran? The Vedas? The Upanishads? The Kojiki? No… I think it's simply easier for you to single out one religion, which shows an undeniable bias, not just against religion, but against Christianity. Also, you used verse quotes, but neglected to put the books from whence they came. And if I remember any of them right, a vast majority, if not all of them come from the Old Testament. Which is the basis of Judaism, but not of Christianity. So you're not even attacking your target well.

Lastly, congrats. You can quote the bible too. The difference is, I quote it relevantly. You? You just threw out random quotes that prove nothing, because I've already disproven your key argument.

As for the youtube lake. Bet you I can find a clip of someone who identifies as Atheist doing something stupid. Hell, I don't need to even look. I'm looking at the writings of someone who abstains from religion doing something stupid now. (Hint: It isn't me.)

You are doing something stupid in that you are reinforcing the images of those who abstain from religion as being arrogant, hateful, ignorant, and generally uneducated. Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do to me. But by all means, keep posting back. It's doing me wonders to tear apart your arguments like this. I do so love informing the uninformed.

rlrose328 May 3, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Agreed.

stopthehatestopthehurt May 3, 2012 at 10:20 am

Listen, I grew up around here. These religious cults are everywhere, and children die all the time. WHY, I ask you, are not such groups investigated, and children removed?

bleachback May 3, 2012 at 5:29 pm

I agree man, there are over 30 thousand different religious sects in this country it's way out of hand. I just read a story where this couple let their 17 year old die because their church says prying will cure sick people. The couple are facing manslaughter charges pffft should be first degree murder.

stopthehatestopthehurt May 4, 2012 at 2:51 am

I live not 100 miles from where this occurred. Hardly uncommon. I think it is the age of the child, rather than the act, that has sparked it as a news story. I am the only atheist in a virulently religious family. I also happen to be gay. They sent me to one of those pray away the gay places when I was 12. Nothing but torture, literally. They brainwashed me. It took a nervous breakdown to come out of those harmful, hateful beliefs.

These people are dangerous. Seriously. I only wish I had a platform to get people to listen, for I know first hand.

bleachback May 4, 2012 at 3:22 pm

that is just awful I am sorry you had to go through that horror show stopthehatestopthehurt, also i think it's amazing to see a black person (I cant tell if you're male or female) but that you are an Atheist is really great. Most black folk are very religious and it's so entrenched in the black community too.

HUNYBEE3 May 3, 2012 at 11:12 am

NOT ALL religoin is bad. thats a silly comment to state that all IS BAD. and the name calling is even sillier… lmbo at you!!

rlrose328 May 3, 2012 at 12:15 pm

Organized religion was promoted by ancient leaders to keep their people scared and in line… threats of an afterlife (which was believed in far more readily back then) spent in hellfire kept people from breaking the strident rules that rulers put in place. Research Constantine. I don't object to people believing in their god… honestly, I don't. It would make things easier, but I can't control that. I DO object to organized religions manipulating their congregations with insane interpretations of god's word, using ancient tests to pass laws on contemporary societies, and the namecalling and hatred thrown my way when I say I'm an atheist. These things DO happen, whether Christians want to believe it or not.

The love of money may be a root of all evil, but religion is definitely its twin.

peeonthehaters May 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm

bullsht, biatch…I'll bet your sorry ass was deep in prayer when New York, washington, and shanksville got bombed by those thugs from the middle east, right?? Don't bullshyt your way through life, toots…it's pathetic…

rlrose328 May 4, 2012 at 11:15 am

Wow… from your user name to the "toots," you're a piece of work. Sorry, no prayers here, not then, not now. I'd rather do something that actually helps people, like donating time, money, and supplies to those in need. One pair of hands helping does a world more good than 1000 hands clasped in prayer, my friend. The only ones bullshyting their way through life are those who are led by the nose by religious leaders, like those who bomb abortion clinics, deny our fellow man the right to marry based on whom they love, and those who hate based on an ancient text written by nomads who had no clue that science would later explain everything. You can belittle me and call me every name you wish, my friend… it won't make me hate you and it won't change my stance. Have a great day.

peeonthehaters May 6, 2012 at 3:57 pm

You're only bullshyting yourself, bitch…Hey, if you want to not believe, that's your right,,, however, don't tell ME what I should and should not believe, fool.. Not all Christians do what this moron did..not all Christians bomb abortion clinics..just like I'm SURE not all Athiest's are self-righteous, egotistical, pompous "i'm right so kiss my ass" blowhards, very much like yourself…so with that, shove your attitude and YOUR beliefs up your arse…you certainly don't impress me or probably anyone else on here…You're a real piece of work.

peeonthehaters May 6, 2012 at 3:52 pm

April FOOL'S day..the self-righteous atheists Holy Day >:-).

bleachback May 4, 2012 at 2:15 am

yes all religoin is bad… there is way too much evidence to prove that it bad. Teaching lies and faith & belief are all based on absence of truth.

peeonthehaters May 6, 2012 at 4:01 pm

Let's take it one more step…most non-religionists are bad..there is way too much evidence to prove that they are bad..Teaching lies and lack of faith and believe are all based on absence of truth…

bleachback May 3, 2012 at 11:21 pm

1. Where Did God Come From…And Who Says We Need God?
2. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam—Rooted in the Past, Standing In the Way of the Future.
3. Religion—A Heavy, Heavy Chain.
4. God Does Not Exist—We Need Liberation Without Gods.
5. Why is patriarchy and the oppression of women foundational to so many religions?
These legitimate and very important questions, which must be put to these Christian Fascist fundamentalists. Which is it? One way or the other—either you believe that the Bible, all of it, is the “inerrant word of god,” and every word of it is absolutely true and must be believed in, or you don’t.”

Moot Magazine May 4, 2012 at 12:48 am

Christians hide behind bigotry all of the time. They cannot defend their beliefs with rational thought, only blind allegiance to an antiquated religion with bigots for followers.

Anyone that would do this to a child in the "name of God" or of their religious beliefs needs to be in a mental institution.

Our June issue, coming out June 5th, is all about gay rights, gay bigotry/homophobia, etc. Check it out on June 5th at mootmagazine.com. This month's issue is all about race.

peeonthehaters May 6, 2012 at 3:59 pm

Yeah I'll check it out…probable makes great liners for litter boxes and kindling for fires >:-)

bleachback May 5, 2012 at 1:55 am

The notion of a god, or gods, was created by humanity, in its infancy, out of ignorance. This has been perpetuated by ruling classes… Bringing about a new, and far better, world and future for humanity means overthrowing such classes…“

peeonthehaters May 6, 2012 at 4:03 pm

The notion of NO GOD, or GODS was created by atheists, in its infancy, out of ignorance. This has been perpetuated by atheists for fear of a higher power, because in THEIR minds, THEY are the higher power…bringing about a new, and FAR BETTER world and future for humanity means overthrowing such classless fools…"

bleachback May 5, 2012 at 11:23 am

A priest, a rapist, and a pedophile walk into a bar……..

And he buys a drink.

peeonthehaters May 6, 2012 at 3:51 pm

He buys a drink for Bleachback, a fellow a-hole >:-)

bleachback May 4, 2012 at 3:02 pm

OK you wanna start with your salad bar bible quotes!
1. God's instructions for buying slaves. 25:45-46 "25:44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
25:45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
25:46 and ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen forever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.
2. Children who curse their parents, adulterers, and homosexuals must be killed. 20:9-12
3. 20:9 for every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him
4. 20:10 and the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
5. Baby girls are twice as dirty as baby boys. 12:1-8
6. Menstruating women are unclean to God. 15:19-30 <– how many times do you beat off a week?
[You see I can quote the bible too]
What is more, if you were born in India you would have most likely have been a Hindu, or in the Middle East a Muslim who would have to wear a Burka or be put to death. You just happened to be born in an area of the world that you are a "Christian"
Oh let us get with the Crimes of the Church shall we!
The crusades, the inquisition, the persecution of Jewish people, the injustice towards women, that’s more than half the human race right there. And the forced conversion of indigenous people, especially in South America. The African slave trade. Oh and let us not forget the rape and torture of orphans and other children, in Church and schools in almost every country on earth from Ireland to Australia. These are very serious matters and there not be disregarded by the occasional charity work of the Catholic Church. And what of Joseph Ratzinger (the current pope) considered by some and by Catholics to be the Vicar of Christ on earth. But I draw you attention not to just the apologies but to the invasive euphemistic forms that they take. in his comment one of the few he’s made of the institutionalization of rape and torture and maltreatment of children in Catholic institutions he’s said “it’s a very serious crisis which involves us” and he goes on to say “In the need for implying to these victims the most loving pastoral care” well I’m sorry! They’ve already had that! And that statement is not accepting any responsibility in any adult sense. The same euphemism comes in the terms some Christians have allowed themselves to be deceived in this way and to act against the gospel. well anti-Semitism was preached as an official doctrine of the Church until 1964. Do you think that might have something to do with public opinion in Austria and Bavaria and Poland and Lithuania? There will come a time when the Church will issue an apology’s and explanations and half-baked appeals for forgiveness for things it’s still doing. I think there will be an apology for what happened in Rwanda, the most (Catholic country in Africa) where priest and Nuns and Bishops are on trial (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/aug/23/chrismcgreal There’s the story there, part of it.) Yes the priest and Nuns and Bishops were on trial for inciting from their pulpits and on the Churches radio stations and newspapers the massacre of their brothers and sisters. And one more thing about Africa, I think it will be admitted with shame that it might have been in error to say that AIDS is bad as a disease, very bad! But not quite as bad as condoms are bad, or not as immoral in the same way. I will say this now to you in your FACE that the preaching’s of the Church are responsible for the death and suffering and misery of millions in Africa, not to mention from the past 500 years. You have no idea at all of the 500 or so years before you were born of the horrific crimes the Church has committed against humanity! Go look it up! How many people they burned alive for reading the bible in English! Yeah I bet you didn’t know that? DID YOU! LOL it doesn’t matter what you quote from the bible old or new I have read them both. I can go on and on about the horrors of the Catholic Church that you have no idea of. Because you live in your own little world where you think this GOD of yours protects you and your family, and how you pray to crap that isn’t there. All of what you have said is meaningless. You are only just a kid and you know nothing of anything that the Church has done. You go and do some research on Christian Fascism, & rethink your whole skewed outlook of what you think you know about religion in general. But I don’t think you will, you will think I am making this all up or it has nothing to do with your life, your little world, your little slice of PIE. You can remain ignorant or you can become informed and not look like a complete buffoon all your life.

bleachback May 5, 2012 at 1:11 am

you haven't destroyed anything pffft lol so are you saying that everything the church has done in that last 500 years was all BS ? its all documented! damn I have to type fast these sessions time out too fast.

and now you are resorting to "oh I type better than you woo woo woo., Who f-ing cares! see again you don't have the facts Mao was the greatest revolutionary of my time, he didn't kill millions, and that isn't the f-ing point! the point. And what we are talking about is religion and how horrible and Murderous it truly is.
oh and i have stated my argument all you do is post none facts. and stuff like Mao killed millions no he didn't it's a matter of record that he didn't those are lies made up by the ruling class. and I bet you cant even tell me what that means can you! no you can't! because you are a brainwashed spoiled white kid living in middle slime Amerikkka, who believes everything you ever been told over the news, by your schools, and by your brainwashed parents, so stop with the garbage you have no idea what you are talking about.

well answer this (“It is a legitimate and very important question, which must be put to these Christian Fascist fundamentalists. Which is it? One way or the other—either you believe that the Bible, all of it, is the “inerrant word of god,” and every word of it is absolutely true and must be believed in, or you don’t.)

it's very very simple
The notion of a god, or gods, was created by humanity, in its infancy, out of ignorance. This has been perpetuated by ruling classes… Bringing about a new, and far better, world and future for humanity means overthrowing such classes..

can you even talk about classes? this fascist nation we live in? No you can't because you have no idea.

bleachback May 5, 2012 at 1:13 am

oh wow you're black wow that explains a lot.. because most black folk are very superstitious.

bleachback May 6, 2012 at 3:21 am

boy I have just read all of your ranting at me LOL you must so angry hahahhaaha wow You are the one who is mad with contempt! hehehehe

bleachback May 4, 2012 at 8:03 pm

here is more religious crime "Henk Heithuis" Henk Heithuis (* 1935, † 28 October 1958) was a Dutch student of a Catholic boarding school and a victim of sexual abuse. Later he got castrated.

(Life). Henk Heithuis was born a child of divorce and was from the first year of his life educated at orphanages and boarding schools in the southern Netherlands. The boarding school "Saint Vincent" in Harreveld was run by monks. There he should learn handycrafts in the years 1950-1953

(Sexual abuse). On 30 January 1956 Henk filed a criminal complaint against the friars of the boarding school at Harreveld. He accused them of having abused him sexually in the years 1951-1953, when he was a student.[2] Also in 1955, when he had already finished his school days, he went back to the boarding school in the weekends, because his family didn't want to take care of him. Also during these weekends sexual acts between the monks and Henk took place.

(Castration). The criminal complaint resulted in Henk being accused of having seduced the monks. Thereupon he was committed to a Roman Catholic psychiatric hospital, Huize Padua in Boekel.
As part of his treatment he was castrated. The surgery took place at St. Joseph Hospital in Veghel. Heithuis was 20 years and then a minor under applicable Dutch law.

(Life after castration and death). Henk worked as a sailor. He suffered severely from the psychological and hormonal effects of castration. In 1957 he reported to the Dutch consulate in Kobe, Japan, where he had left the vessel. With the help of IJsbrand Rogge, who was then working at a Dutch bank branch in Japan, Henk returned to the Netherlands. He planned a legal and publicity campaign against the people who were responsible for the crime committed on him.[1]
Henk told IJsbrand Rogge and his brother Cornelius, then 24 and 27 years old, about his life as a foster child in Catholic orphanages, boarding schools and mental health institutions. The brothers Rogge once saw his genital mutilation; according to them "all was gone". In 1957 Heithuis charged the friars again, this time because of the castration.
Heithuis himself died in 1958 from a car accident. The police confiscated and destroyed all his personal possessions and his court documents on the very day of his death. Heithuis himself had often expressed his fear that "they will get hold of me again.

Only the Catholic Church could cause such horror, Only the Catholic Church could be so heartless. these are the crimes of TRUE Christians, people like are blind and brainwashed to never admit that this could ever happen, But this happened.

you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts! CHILD!

bleachback May 6, 2012 at 3:18 am

wwoo I'm done grading papers! what a day… now i can't find any new post you posted in here. But yeah I was kidding… about doing a search it's funny to watch you squirm. & you pointing out so called spelling mistakes Please show me….

Please do.. most likely they are only typos, & besides we are not getting graded for writing here, I mean I hardly ever pick out bad grammar online because it's in bad taste. Look you just made my point about atheist. I said Atheist does not believe in gods. and for someone who believes in a god and not another persons god then they are an atheist to their god. THAT IS A FACT! Look i'm sick of debating with you. You are really uneducated in these matters.

I teach theism and world history, and you are so horrendously off base that I am astounded that I have even kept this up this long. Furthermore, I am not backed into "a corner" as you put it. Also you call me a bigot!

you have not a clue as to what a Bigot truly it. It's people like you who condemn people for there sexual preference. Actually I have no idea if you actually hate gays or if you agree that they have a right to wed or not. But what ever, you are really off base and out of touch with reality. Because you believe in something that is not there. You think that everything in the bible it true. Religion & more specifically Christianity is by far the most violent scourge ever to befall humanity.

Like that Sick twisted wretch "Mother Teresa" a whore for the Catholic Church, like I have stated before it's a simple matter of record that Mother Teresa was a fanatic, and a fundamentalist,And a fraud. I think probably the most successful trickster of the last century, and Responsible for innumerable deaths, and untold suffering and she was proud of it. And for you to sit there and say that the church is not these things.

all i can say is that you are blind and a little child and you have much to learn about the world we live in. You are a prisoner of a 3000 year old book written by people from the iron age. I am a free thinker and you are not. You are bound by the horror that in Christianity. I am so done here. go get some education Child. And you can stop with the posting I will not answer anymore. And I will leave you with this.

There is no shame not knowing.
The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior
Fill the vacuum left by ignorance.
Neil deGrasse Tyson

bleachback May 4, 2012 at 9:47 pm

no you made up no facts all you did was quote from the bible.. religion is vile and hurtful and murderous. You are an ignorant Kid that has no clue as to what really happens in the world. Really go do some research, and stop making a fool of your self CHILD! lol

RELIGION" The practice of training your mind to ignore evidence, logic, and reason, while being able to believe
In fairytales based on faith alone…….And being proud of it rather than ashamed.

And again Talking to people like you is like trying to teach a 3 year old how to rebuild a transmission over the phone, when all that 3 year old will do is picks its nose and eat crayons.

Nanoke May 4, 2012 at 11:36 pm

I believe you used that crayons and nose picking line already, and no one laughed then. Why? Probably because it wasn't funny. Also, the only one who is difficult to talk to is you. I quoted ONCE from the bible. ONCE. And everything I said was true. Never once did I make up a fact. You would know that if you'd ever done an ounce of research, but you're afraid to, because you're afraid I'm right.

But far be it from to expect a dullard like yourself to fact check before calling bullshit. That's just completely unheard of from a window-licking radical like yourself, right? It's okay. I don't blame you for your inability to resist political brainwashing. You give liberals a bad name.

And who cares if that's what someone believes. You can't prove God doesn't exist. You can't prove Allah doesn't exist. You can't prove a damn thing. This isn't some arms race as to which side has more proof. And for some, as long as there is some hope that that being is out there looking out for them, then that's all they need.

Tell me, if your family member goes missing, and there's a lot of evidence that would say they are dead, are you going to call off the hunt before you absolutely know? Because if so, you really are a sad human being.

The problem is that you are a seriously bigoted ignoramus, and I'm almost certain you don't read my posts for more than a couple of lines, because at most, you only ever address one point I've made, and it's always the first one. You can't win a debate that you're not actively participating in.

So I present you with this notion: Maybe stop dropping insults and address the points you are supposed to be arguing. Also, maybe learning how to write would help your cause too, because my 11 year old sister types better than you. I shit you not.

Nanoke May 5, 2012 at 1:06 am

Actually, how you type and how you present yourself in written word speaks volumes to how seriously people will take you.

Mao was a murderer. At minimum, 40 million people died under his rule. If you can't lead people without killing that many people, then one has no business leading people at all.

And yes it is the point, because a lack of religion is just as bad by every definition you've set out. The church down the road from me? They haven't killed anyone. You're looking at a few extreme cases and make broad generalizations.

I have my opinions, and I have facts. And research. Which you clearly don't bother to do.

Nice trick with the upside down text, but no I'm not brainwashed. I came to my own conclusions by observing the world around me. I know plenty about said world because I've experienced quite a bit of the ugliness the world has to offer. But that I can still maintain that there is some good in this world simply sings to the fact that I'm not some sad, hopeless, petty person like you. I know exactly what the world is out there. It's crazy, and ridiculous. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. But never black and white as you want to make it.

I do feel the need to ask you how I'm making this worse for myself though. Enlighten me? Because all I've gotten is a few good laughs at this, and a bit of debating entertainment. I won't get lost. I won't stop. Because I know I'm right. You would like me too, because I'm sure you're aware at this point that you've run out arguable points.

I won this one, and normally I'd say let's put the suffering dog out of it's misery and end this, but hey! You're funny. You get so riled over a girl you don't even know, who opposes you over the internet, of all things. It's really nothing you should have gotten your knickers in a twist over, but you did, and it's hilarious!

Nanoke May 5, 2012 at 1:15 am

Actually, no I'm not. I'm completely white. Probably whiter than most white people I know. Me and the sun don't mix.

But I digress. That statement was racist, and you're making sweeping generalizations again. But I can tell you're getting a little bit pissy. Which is always fun.

bleachback May 5, 2012 at 1:19 am

no I didn't get upset actually all my atheist friends LOLing at your retarded post lol… I can you might be black and that explains a lot here. but I coiuld be wrong… just a guess from doing a google search on you. look you are just a kid and you don't know what you are talking about.
and now you are resorting to "oh I type better than you woo woo woo., Who f-ing cares! see again you don't have the facts Mao was the greatest revolutionary of my time, he didn't kill millions, and that isn't the f-ing point! the point. And what we are talking about is religion and how horrible and Murderous it truly is.

AGAIN Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,
But Not to their own facts.

ʇʇnqood ɟlǝs ɹnoʎ uo ǝsɹoʍ sıɥʇ ƃuıʞɐɯ ʎluo ǝɹɐ noʎ ¡doʇs
¡ʇsol ʇǝƃ ˙uı ǝʌıl noʎ plɹoʍ ǝɥʇ ɟo ƃuıɥʇou sʍouʞ ʇɐɥʇ lɹıƃ ʎɹƃuɐ ǝlʇʇıl ɐ ǝɹɐ noʎ 'pǝɥsɐʍuıɐɹq ǝɹɐ noʎ sʇɔɐɟ ǝʌɐɥ ʇou op noʎ

Nanoke May 5, 2012 at 1:24 am

Ya know, I can't really answer that question. Because frankly, I don't know. I don't identify as Christian any longer, because frankly there are things I couldn't reconcile with the beliefs I developed of my own accord. So how the hell do I know if it's all right or all wrong. But the big point that you are missing is a vast majority of the things you bring up are Old Testament, Pre-Christ. Being that Christianity (back on this subject again, are we?) is stemmed from the New Testament, it follows the laws set forth in the New Testament.

The biggest question is why the hell do you care. If the church down the street from you has a picnic, or the mosque in town has a get together, and it's all peaceful, how the hell is it hurting you?

Religion isn't hurting you. People are hurting you. The ideas of religions are not evil. Many people are.

Nanoke May 5, 2012 at 1:32 am

I am not black, and it's a little creepy that you feel the need to internet stalk me. Your atheist friends… Well, considering they aren't debating with me, I couldn't give two shits in space about them, and if you would, kindly tell them they can all go piss up a rope, because their opinions mean little to me. Same with yours. Like I said, I only do this because it's humorous.

Also, I'm not a kid. Kids are baby goats. Kids are also human beings UNDER the age of the majority. I'm over the age of majority, so your argument there is invalid. I do know what I'm talking about, clearly more than you do. After all, I'm not calling you a race you're not, and then trying to say that that non-fact is why something is happening. You just sound like a tool now, and a creeper, on top of it all.

Now the question stands: Why the hell are you posting the same things in every post.

Nanoke May 6, 2012 at 3:44 am

Ya know, I took a page from your book and only skimmed this post. Why? Because I immediately spotted the one thing that pissed me off.

I'm a bigot? I condemn people for their sexual preferences? Fuck you. I'm bisexual with a preference towards girls (I am a girl). I don't think gender is relevant when it comes to love. I love the person that's inside, not the genitalia a person has. But nice save at the end there, pointing out that you don't know my stance on homosexuality. If you were trying to endear yourself anyone, you didn't. In fact, even mentioning me being a bigot in regards to condemnation of homosexuality is a stupid thing to do, when you don't know me or where I stand on that.

I'll respond back to all of your other pseudo-points later, as I have things to do tomorrow, and I need to sleep now.

rlrose328 May 7, 2012 at 11:13 am

You are proof that religion makes people angry, self-righteous, egotistical and pompous, not disbelief. I have been nothing but civil, have refrained from calling you names, and am interested only in conversation and debate. I don't care if you believe or don't believe. I don't care if you think I'm whatever colorful adjective you can come up with. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. But you sound like a very angry individual. Were I the praying type, I'd send one up for you. As I'm not, I'll just call it quits here because I fear for your health with all that pent up anger. Whether I'm right or wrong is not the issue. I may be wrong… you may be wrong… the bottom line is that organized religion is a menace on this earth. A personal belief in god is not. You can infer what you like from that but it's not my problem. Good day.

peeonthehaters May 7, 2012 at 7:33 pm

And YOU, Lady, are proof that hell is full and the dead, brainless, foolish a-holes of hell are walking the earth..so go **** yourself, loser…and yes, GOOD DAY AND GOOD RIDDANCE.

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