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Listen: Andrew Sullivan Vs. Maggie Gallagher At The Cato Institute

by David Badash on February 17, 2010

in Bigotry Watch,Civil Rights,Discrimination,Legal Issues,Media,News,Politics,Religion

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“Gay people are not vessels for votes.”
– Nick Herbert, British MP, Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, Conservative Party.

Today, at the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C., conservative British author and editor, and blogger at The Atlantic, Andrew Sullivan, debated National Organization for Marriage (NOM) President Maggie Gallagher. British MP Nick Herbert gave an incredible introduction and set the stage.

The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank which claims to exist “to broaden the parameters of public policy debate to allow consideration of the traditional American principles of limited government, individual liberty, free markets, and peace.”

Herbert made so many great points. This audio misses the first few minutes of his speech (apologies!) Herbert ends just before 16 minutes, and leaves you with this:

“Let us be clear about the kind of society we want to build. One where a child can go to school without being bullied because of his or her sexuality, where people can be honest with their friends and families and not live a lie…where a public declaration of life-long commitment to another person can be made by anyone…where the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom or the president of the United States could just as easily be gay, as black.”

It’s important to me to note the following. I believe true conservatives have a great deal of good in their minds and hearts. I also believe that the world they live in is not real. To be totally honest, in my youth I probably was a libertarian, without realizing it. But when I grew up, and lived in the real world, I saw what the world was doing to people — poor people, gay people, minorities, etc., and knew that it took laws and strong leadership to create a world that protects us from those who would do us harm.

I hope you’ll listen to the complete audio. It’s about an hour and a half, and worth every minute. There’s a bit of a smack-down towards the end, between Andrew Sullivan and Maggie Gallagher.

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dorina February 27, 2010 at 6:02 pm

I am a mother of two children who are both gay. I have contacted Maggie Gallagher through e-mails because, I thought being both mothers I could make her understand how we want the same things for our children. I also wanted to know how my children's marriage would interfere with her life and her children's life. I invited her to come and meet my family and spend some time with us. She has refused. Maggie Gallagher, you do not know any gay people. That is why it is so easy for you to say the things you say.

David Badash February 27, 2010 at 6:42 pm

Dorina, I'm pretty sure you are my favorite person today! Thank you for being a great parent, a great American, a great activist, and a great person.

I'm sure your children appreciate you. I hope other parents of homosexual children realize that their children are a part of them, that homosexuality is something to be valued just as is heterosexuality, and that it's not a choice.

You are very special. Thank you!

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