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Pope: Pedophilia Was “Fully In Conformity With Man And Even With Children”

by David Badash on December 29, 2010

in Bigotry Watch,Religion

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In an end-of-year, shocking Christmas statement to Cardinals and other Vatican officials, Pope Benedict XVI said, “In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” and added that paedophilia wasn’t even considered an “absolute evil,” according to a report in the Belfast Telegraph.

“Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.

“In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

“It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than’ and a ‘worse than’. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”

“We cannot remain silent about the context of these times in which these events have come to light,” he said, citing the growth of child pornography “that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society” he said.

“But outraged Dublin victim Andrew Madden last night insisted that child abuse was not considered normal in the company he kept.

“Mr Madden accused the Pope of not knowing that child pornography was the viewing of images of children being sexually abused, and should be named as such.

“He said: “That is not normal. I don’t know what company the Pope has been keeping for the past 50 years.”

It’s important to remember that this is the Pope who has declared that laws which legalize same-sex marriage “contribute to the weakening of the principles of natural law,” and to “confusion about society’s values,” and claimed that same-sex marriage “attacks” the “endangered species” that is mankind. Even before he was elected Pope, he knew of the pedophile priest sex abuse scandal, yet did not act.

This is also the same pope presiding over a Vatican that has said the Vatican was being treated like Holocaust victims, and blamed homosexuality and Jews on the Catholic Church’s international pedophilia scandal.

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{ 9 comments }

Guy Tanzer December 30, 2010 at 4:50 am

I took the trouble to look this up in L’Osservatore Romano’s English edition on line. It appears you are quoting the Pope’s statements completely out of context, and drawing conclusions 180 degrees out of line with the pope’s clearly expressed sentiments in paragraphs 5, 8, and 9 from here:

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/or/or_eng/text.html#1

I am by no means a Catholic apologist for their sins and crimes. But inaccurately reporting what the Pope says does not help build your case.

As a specific example, you accurately quote, “In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children” while failing to quote the very next sentence, “This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos.”

I fully agree that the Church, and Pope Benedict, reacted far too slowly and utterly irresponsibly to the child abuse within the Church in multiple countries around the world, and should be held fully responsible and severely punished for such. However, falsely accusing said Church of even more evil will not help its victims or incline the Church to fix, or even reveal, its failings.

It also would have been nice for a direct link to the Pope’s comments be placed in your article.

Can you clarify for your readers how you drew your conclusions while actually quoting – in full context – from the text of the L’OR article?

NG December 30, 2010 at 1:20 pm

'Pedophile' is term that was appropriated by the feminists and other groups to use as a weapon against men and the pornography business. It has since been used to demean intergenerational relationships and frighten people about sex, hetero and homo, or straight or gay for all those who prefer euphemisms to the real thing.

The last ten years or so, LGBT's have used that term to disparage or osctacize their former friends and lovers.

So while no doubt the Pope is being sanctimonious with his comments, it does not benefit anyone to feign indignation with what the Pope says when there are gay activists who've been invoking pedophillia with reckless abandon and careless disregard and everyone is playing deaf, dumb, and blind to it all. This would include your friends and the websites they write for, many of whom you are promoting on this website.

LightningBalt December 31, 2010 at 12:50 am

No doubt many people who've been convicted of possessing and disseminating pornography involving pre-pubescent children engaged in sexual activity hate the word pedophile being used in a negative sense. Well, that's just too damn bad.

Just because you like pre-pubescent *boys*, NG, doesn't mean you should expect support from the gay community.

fairlight777 December 31, 2010 at 3:13 am

I don't think you have to approve of child pornography or child rape to be aware of the fact that people do use the word 'pedophilia' very casually sometimes.

I'm 25 and my husband is 42–we started dating a year and a half ago, when I was 23 and he was 40, and got married in February in Canada. But he works in my family's business and has worked for my father and grandfather since I was 11. We've been the target of some very inflammatory commentary from people who don't know us well (or when we've initially been mistaken for father and son) despite the fact that I'm an adult. And some of it has in fact come from an ex-boyfriend who is not very happy that he is an ex. Oddly, this same ex-boyfriend was 19 to my 15 when we started seeing each other (he was my high school roommate's older brother) and took it not at all well when I pointed out that if anyone I'd ever been involved with had crossed a line it was him.

LightningBalt December 31, 2010 at 3:34 am

You're both adults, so it's no one's business. Had you started dating when you were below the age of consent while he was 17 years your senior, however, that'd be an entirely different story. Actually, I'd expect raised eyebrows if you were under 20 and dating someone that much older. You were not, however.

Anyhow . . .

NG gets very indignant when pedophilia is alleged and the LGBT community doesn't rush to the support of the accused. The thing is, he is a convicted sex offender and his offense was both possession of child pornography and sending over over 100 photographs of prepubescent boys either exposing themselves or having sex with other males, both pre- and postpubescent, followed by a DVD of two prepubescent boys engaging in sexual acts, to an undercover police officer that he thought was a 14-year-old boy. It's all a matter of public record and not tough to find.

Coxhere December 30, 2010 at 11:29 pm

Where does the word pedophile come from?
'Paedophile', or 'Pedophile' (US English) comes from Greek, from 'paidos', meaning child, and '-philos', the love of.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_the_word_ped

lt1964 December 31, 2010 at 10:52 am

Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a queer, former Roman Catholic, who left the church because of gross misrepresentation of scripture and hypocritical commentary regarding AIDS and the GLBT community. I also have one confirmed victim of clergy sexual abuse in my family. Thus, I do not approach this article or my comments lightly.

This is indeed an exceptionally disturbing series of quotes to be sure and show that the Pope's characterization of what was/is deemed to be "normal" is just wrong. Nor are his comments representative of the Catholic Church that I grew up in during the 1970s where all sex outside of a "traditional" marriage and thoughts of sex were in fact professed to be evil in the eyes of God. Conformity to cultural influence that conflicted with the teachings of the Church was a sign of moral weakness.

That said, I urge people to read the context in which these comments were made by referring to the address itself. While I do not agree with much of what the Pope stated on his commentary, this article and the one it quotes in the Belfast Telegraph are in fact misrepresentations of the Pope's letter, which is available on the Vatican's website, The authors are guilty of proof texting and not verifying sources, the very same thing that those of us in the GLBT community have to fight every day.

Again, I do not subscribe to much of the teaching of the Catholic Church. Yet, we too must remember that context can indeed be very important…….

For those interested, the link to the Pope's address is here: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/sp

LightningBalt December 31, 2010 at 11:19 am

Thanks for the link! His message was, indeed, distorted by the media in this case.

supersurvivor777 May 3, 2011 at 4:27 pm

CATHOLICABUSESURVIVORSNI.COM——the pope would need to read the bible as he calims he is here in christs place. he can read what the book teaches on good and evil. he tries to broaden the child sex abuse scandal to humanity and indeed it is part of sinful mans being , but his rcc paedophile clergy practice this destruction of the very existance of children under the guise that they represent god. not so!! for in this book , peter had a wife, blessed virgin mary had a further six children after the birth of christ to joseph her husband, there no mass , no confession box, and no rcc teachig whatsoever.

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